Pepinsky, Harold E.
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How about this Marx question: Marx called the criminal class the "lumpenproletariat." To him, convicts were social scum who had no human rights. Was Marx correct? l&p hal
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Forget it.
Too old a posting, too confused a Pigle ,- greetings to Paula.
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I was wondering if anyone has a good essay question or questions on Marx social theory that works well with students. I'm not sure why but I find that my students do better on Durkheim than Marx. I'm not sure if this is because I do a better job of teaching them Durkheim or if it is because Emile is simpler to understand or if it is because Durkheim's approach to society fits more easily into the students' conception of society. No class struggle and all. Solidarity for ever! But for the moment I'm looking for questions on Marx that students can answer. You can send your favorite Marx questions to me offline unless you think they would generate an interest for the list members. We could have a contest to see who can come up with the best Marx question.
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:25:30 -0500
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How about: Why is there a statue of Karl Marx in a park in London?
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Subject: [Ahs-talk] Marx question contest
I was wondering if anyone has a good essay question or questions on Marx social theory that works well with students. I'm not sure why but I find that my students do better on Durkheim than Marx. I'm not sure if this is because I do a better job of teaching them Durkheim or if it is because Emile is simpler to understand or if it is because Durkheim's approach to society fits more easily into the students' conception of society. No class struggle and all. Solidarity for ever! But for the moment I'm looking for questions on Marx that students can answer. You can send your favorite Marx questions to me offline unless you think they would generate an interest for the list members. We could have a contest to see who can come up with the best Marx question.
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:23:21 -0500
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don't know how others feel about this but i like to get at how sociologists can differ greatly on some things and just slightly on others while all the time using similar terminology. for instance. i usually ask students to compare and contrast durkheim and mark on the division of labor and alienation. Then, I ask them to explain how both understand solidarity as a remedy of sorts for alienation, but again, very differently. I find by doing this, they are able to understand the important distinctions in emphasis and theoretical or philosophical difference without getting into simplistic understandings of durkheim as simple functionalist--which as rick eckstein keeps pointing out at ahs meetings--he wasn't/isn't--and marx as a vulger economistic guy.
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I was wondering if anyone has a good essay question or questions on Marx social theory that works well with students. I'm not sure why but I find that my students do better on Durkheim than Marx. I'm not sure if this is because I do a better job of teaching them Durkheim or if it is because Emile is simpler to understand or if it is because Durkheim's approach to society fits more easily into the students' conception of society. No class struggle and all. Solidarity for ever! But for the moment I'm looking for questions on Marx that students can answer. You can send your favorite Marx questions to me offline unless you think they would generate an interest for the list members. We could have a contest to see who can come up with the best Marx question.
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The question is not a gag. To answer requires providing some British and personal history, some digging into why the statue was wanted, by whom, whether there was controversy about it, who the sculptor was, how long it took to actually reach fruition and why . . . etc. etc. Personally, I am tired of abstract comparisons of the theories of famous (white) men; the statue is real and a sociological fact.
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don't know how others feel about this but i like to get at how sociologists can differ greatly on some things and just slightly on others while all the time using similar terminology. for instance. i usually ask students to compare and contrast durkheim and mark on the division of labor and alienation. Then, I ask them to explain how both understand solidarity as a remedy of sorts for alienation, but again, very differently. I find by doing this, they are able to understand the important distinctions in emphasis and theoretical or philosophical difference without getting into simplistic understandings of durkheim as simple functionalist--which as rick eckstein keeps pointing out at ahs meetings--he wasn't/isn't--and marx as a vulger economistic guy.
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I was wondering if anyone has a good essay question or questions on Marx social theory that works well with students. I'm not sure why but I find that my students do better on Durkheim than Marx. I'm not sure if this is because I do a better job of teaching them Durkheim or if it is because Emile is simpler to understand or if it is because Durkheim's approach to society fits more easily into the students' conception of society. No class struggle and all. Solidarity for ever! But for the moment I'm looking for questions on Marx that students can answer. You can send your favorite Marx questions to me offline unless you think they would generate an interest for the list members. We could have a contest to see who can come up with the best Marx question.
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I've heard that Marx never directly dealt with "criminality" as we know it today. Maybe I heard wrong. A computer doing content analysis could answer the question.
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